• Francis

    HB won, bacause more educated lebanese left &will leave, thus paving the way for less dissent once they will fully establish their Khomeinist regime, outside of theircurrent fiefs in the south and H. Hreik.

    August 2, 2008

  • Sami

    Read my comment again,Marco, when you FAIL to accomplish the declared aims of your war then you failed and the others won when they accomplished their aims.The HA aim was declared by smahet al sayyed that "No force in the world will liberate those two soldiers except indirect negotiations."This aim was accomplished, Israel,s aim was never accomplished, the whole world,including the Phenograph commission say Israel lost except you.The war between Iran and Iraq lasted 8 years but no one gained any land as an end result yet we all know that Iran won.Consider this.

    August 1, 2008

  • Marco Antonio

    Sami, you still cannot answer the question, what has ha won on the ground in July ‘06? What was the difference to the map after in August ‘06 other than dead people and more lost land? You guys say ha won. Alright, tell us, how far did ha advance into the heart of Israel? What Israeli army groups/divisions surrendered to them? Don’t change the definition of winning a war, we are not fools. Where did I say that I admire Israel in my comment? Read the table above one more time (or in your case you might have to do it several times?) and tell us again what did ha win (in accordance with the normal definition of victory of course)?

    August 1, 2008

  • Sami

    Marco, HA did not win a piece of land, not all wars are about land.When Israel attacked Lebanon , it had declared aims, none of which were accomplished, one of them is destroying HA and returning the two Israeli soldiers.When one FAILS to accomplish his reason for declaring war then his war failed, tell us one thing that Israel accomplished by all this destruction.Since you admire Israel so much why dont you move there as others of your kind did?

    July 31, 2008

  • Marco Antonio

    Toufic, you guys talk big. The US and Britain won the war and occupied Germany. The German army all surrendered, Germany lay in ruins. Show us one sign of the ‘06 “win” on the ground. Show us one sign, just one sign. When the hostilities were over we had lost some ground even and we still do not have it. What land did we win or liberate? What armies did we seize and crush? Who surrendered to us? You guys do not ever even attempt to answer those questions because you know very well the pitiful answer. Read the table again and tell us, what do we have to show for our losses?

    July 31, 2008

  • Toufic

    Forgot one thing. I guess the allied forces during the WWII lost the war coz Britain was totally distroyed. USSR crashed, France.... and millions lost their lives. For Joe, if your thoughts did not exist in our country, the above table should have been presented to human rights and UN (which u love and they dont) to be claimed from ISRAEL.

    July 29, 2008

  • OmarS

    Marco: you are so naive, how can you fall for such creative accounting? None of those losses were incurred by HA but rather by the barbarism of israel and its allies. What about the fact that no israeli soldiers stand on your doorstep? the fact that we can still travel to the south and see no lahdiyes? the fact that a racist, murderous regime tried to impose its will on my people and failed? The fact that we still have a country called Lebanon: PRICELESS

    July 25, 2008

  • Sami

    These same small minds see only one picture:Syria.If they were to look at the largest picture they would NEVER mention the word "DEMOCRACY".Every regime that the USA/Israel support is a totalitarian unelected regime.Anywhere they set foot, they start a war.Name one country where the regime is supported by those two and I will name you a war or a revolt or ethnic/sectarian conflict.The Lebanese in the big picture are very small and will be sold sooner or later as they were sold before.The SLA lasted more than 20 years with the Israel/American support, it was left alone to its fate of shame.The Kataeb/LF/Hourras/A7rar etc. All were sold out at one time or another.The big picture for mature minds is the national movements without any servitude to foreign powers.

    July 25, 2008

  • Marco Antonio

    Only those who look into dots on the screen and fail to see the big picture are the ones with small minds. The others who see the whole picture are well informed because they take everything into account. Forget about the land lost to the east and south of us for now because there is only so much you can handle and absorb. Just look at the table above. you still cannot see and understand its meaning, then why even try to evaluate who is the one with a small mind...

    July 25, 2008

  • Sami

    It is amazing how some small minds insist into bringing Syria into all subjects , even if the subject was, how humid is the weather in Beirut.To some small minds, its is Syria's fault that the weather is humid.While the subject of this article has nothing to do with Syria, Marco insists on discussing the Lebanese detainees in Syrian prisons.Ya 3ammi, you keep picking battles with Syria and you keep losing, leave her alone or suffer the consequences, into mish addah.

    July 24, 2008

  • OmarS

    Reading all 37 comments and counting should prove to all Lebanon who is stoking tensions in our country. Has the zionists true persona been revealed to you all now? do you realise now that lebanon is under siege from these occupiers Lebanon unite under your army AND RESISTANCE it serves and protects all of you not just muslim shiites

    July 24, 2008

  • Marco Antonio

    To finish, I hate to blame our neighbours for all our ills. One has to realize that a lot of our losses (some call it victories!) and present dreadful state of affairs can be blamed on our leaders and consequently those who relentlessly vote for them. Here’s a few of the “honourable” results so far; villains are becoming our national heroes, corrupt public servants are becoming our new rulers, lost lands and people nobody talks about anymore are slowly and permanently lost to Syria and Israel. All the while those same leaders are still talking a storm and producing nothing positive. We are getting screwed and it shows on the ground everywhere and there simply is no disputing it. To the “winners” I say, you can continue counting the damages and putting them in your “win column” but don’t try to prove to us the validity of your “math”.

    July 23, 2008

  • Marco Antonio

    Wars are destructive and they only result in casualties and monetary losses. Ideally, victory in Lebanon would be complete when all its borders are made safe and all land returned to its original owners. A strong central government would crown the win. What is the use of gaining a few hundred square kilometres the hard way in Sheb3a then permanently losing several thousand others through lop sided so called “negotiations” with Syria? Look on the ground for one sign of a “win”. To the south nothing has changed and Sheb3a is still occupied, just destruction to remind you of the ‘06 “event”. To the east thousands of square kilometres are lost to Syria. Syria still holds many of our nationals in prison without formal charges. We still are getting screwed on all sides, south east and north. Makes you feel glad we only have the sea to the west or we would be getting screwed on that side too…

    July 23, 2008

  • Sami

    Joe,WW2 cost over 50 million dead, but was it worth fighting Hitler?London was almost wiped off the map by Hitler's bombs, but was it worth defending?Stalingrad lost over 4 million during the German invasion, was it worth it to the Russian to defend their honor?Algiers lost one million liberating its land and Viet Nam lost 5 mill.It is well known that the war against Lebanon was planned long before 2006 but you ask, was it worth defending our beloved Lebanon?Will the Israelis think 1000 times before they attack us again knowing how powerful the response will be?You tell us, Joe.

    July 23, 2008

  • joe

    to sami, I understand your way of thinking (but I do not agree). Just look up in this page,to the "Was it worth it" table, with the Net Gains and Losses & tell me one thing: It doesn't matter who won or who lost....but WAS IS WORTH IT??? Thanks.

    July 22, 2008

  • Sami

    Fred, the whole world including Israel and the Phenograd commission says that you lost this war, except you and Bush.Amazing the mentality of some.Come again to Lebanon.

    July 21, 2008

  • essam

    Paul..I agree with u to some extant, but u must admit, the creation of Israel contribute a great deal to the problem, saying that & u admitting it then at least we have some common ground to start..RETURN SOME of the land to its rightful owners, with free AIR/SEA/Land movement..etc then major part of the problem is solved..No one wants to continue fighting, but at the same time, no one will allow continuous humiliation & theft (Water from Lebanon)..as to Lebanon Internal problems, thats more Influenced by external and can be sorted by Lebanese...

    July 21, 2008

  • Fred

    essam, you are looser. We will continue to defeat your worthless "warriors" each and every time we fight you. You are nothing, and the next round of fighting will be much more horrible for you. It is not the weapons, it is our spirit and bravery that defeats you each and every time. We are superior in war. Face the facts.

    July 20, 2008

  • paul

    To Essam, as I said your problems have nothing to do with Israel, admit it, the hatered towards Israel is the only thing that keeps you united (as in many other Arab countries) . Your country is used a platform to attack Israel. (in the past Palestinians who fired rockets on Israel and now Hezbolla). I wish Lebanon will flourish and succeed to overcome its internal porblems, as I said this is a country with a great human potential!

    July 19, 2008

  • essam

    Thank you Paul, tell us something that we don't already know...as to the fear of the Shite regime, leave this issue to us, the Lebanese, to solve & keep out of it, as your "Valuable "involvement is NOT really required..

    July 18, 2008

  • paul

    Israel has nothing to do with the internal prolems of Lebanon. The Lebanese are a a split society with many internal interests which are used by external forces such as Iran and Syria. On the contarery, many Lebanese are more like the Israelis,they celebrate life, they enjoy going out, they drink alcohol and are the most advanced and moderate in the Arab world. I'm sure many of them fear the outcome of a Shitte regime which will force them to adhere to Sharia laws. It is such a pitty that these pro western pro modern forces are getting weak and are now giving in to Hezbolla.

    July 18, 2008

  • essam

    Alex...God's only know where you really come from, before you made your way to Palestine...go back to your roots, thats if they really take you back...for that reason, you keep hold of others land and claim it as biblical.. Grow up with ur elementary words you use & stuff u & ur regiment, give us half of the Weapons u sponge from the USA then see what we can do.....Shalom

    July 18, 2008

  • essam

    Alex & others...you have for years distorted the facts, no need to wast time & energy with the likes of u...no matter what fabrication you give to justify your atrocities & claims, deep down every one know the facts...the whole world is getting feed up with it...after all, u claim to be God's Chosen PEOPLE on earth, then if thats the case, you don't need a Country..!!...ps welcome back if u dare, u r just a myth and over inflated soft balloon.

    July 18, 2008

  • Sami

    Alex,Do not threaten us by coming to Lebanon again.We seen and heard you cries when we attacked you and your like.If it wasnt for the superior technology given to you by the West you would not last 6 months in our part of the world.Few hundred, scarcely armed men defeated more than 40,000 fully armed men.Trust me Alex you are in no shape to threaten, imshi elheet elheet we koul allah assoutra.

    July 18, 2008

  • alex

    ESSAM: lets see: "I SAY, NO MATTER WHAT DRESSING YOU PUT ON YOUR ILLEGAL OCCUPATION " --Illegal? Who you think you are, some gods lawer to tell us what is "legal" and what is not? "THE ATTROCITIES YOU HAVE COMMITTED" Like which? Shooting 4000 katiusha missiles on civilian population. Or perhaps WE did the suicide attack in Iraq yesterday. 29 dead! Real "success"..."THE WORLD HAS JUST START RELAISING..." &"...COEXIST WITH THE PALESTINIAN... PEACEFULL PLACE... " Like after 9/11? Or after what happens in Afganistan&Iraq? Blowing our busses with old women an childen? Or the Gaza strip. Throwing PLO members from 5 floor? Thats YOU not us. So, after all, it appears that advicing us is out of your league.And please, a little more....aaa....respect and humility from your side can help a bit.

    July 18, 2008

  • alex

    To Sami and G. You are 100% correct. The war and the kidnapping has NOTHING to do with Kuntar. He is a pawn on Lebaneze political chessboard. For us the situation that existed on our Northern border was unberable. 3 soldiers were kidnapped and killed in 2000 and Nasralla publicly humiliated us. We USED the second abduction as an excuse to throw him out. We even called the operation "Changing Direction". Could we expect to rescue the kidnapped soldiers by war? Absolutely NOT. They are too easy to hide from us. But we had to demand them because of our internal POLITICS. The border IS quiet now. Only ~160 casualties. Cheap! Strategic goal acheived!

    July 18, 2008

  • alex

    Essam- No you are wrong! No more advices. Did you solved your problems in Lebanon so you dare to tell us what to do and do not? Who you think you are? The only advice, i have for you is: keep our borders safe. Dont shoot at our border patrols. Do not kadnap our troops. Or we may pay you a second visit. And i and my buddies from our reserve infantry regiment are not "nice" like Alon or Shimon Peress, who spent entire carrier to do "peace" with you. Not at all. You dont want to meet us at all. We talk much less. Do much more. Slogans and false "Divine Vuctory" claims make no impression on us.

    July 18, 2008

  • essam

    IT SEEMS WE ARE GETTING "ADVICE" FROM THE MAIN CAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS, SOME UNDER ARAB NAMES..!!..TO THE LIKES OF D ,ALON,JOE...I SAY, NO MATTER WHAT DRESSING YOU PUT ON YOUR ILLEGAL OCCUPATION & THE ATTROCITIES YOU HAVE COMMITTED, YOU WILL NEVER SUCCEED..THE WORLD HAS JUST START RELAISING THE COVER UP.. COEXIST WITH THE PALESTINIAN ON A FAIR & DECENT GROUNDS THEN THE WORLD BE A PEACEFULL PLACE...

    July 18, 2008

  • Mariama Abdalla

    To Alon if anyone is to be blamed it is Israel. Ever since the Jews settled in the ancient country of Palestine, they have been the cause of a lot of sufferings to all the people in the region, but first and foremost to the people of Palestine.You have no compassion at all;one day you will pay for all the miseries you have caused, if not by Man it will be by your own God. You will understand why we can never live with a violent people as you are and Palestinians will never accept to let go the land of their Philistine’s ancestors.

    July 18, 2008

  • Sami

    "Kuntar could have been released via diplomacy".This man is sentenced to a tune of 500 years and you think there is something you can "SAY" to israel that will make her release him?

    July 18, 2008

  • G.

    I looked at this chart over and over and i never found a real ''net gain'' . Samir Kantar? Where is the gain? The losses, tough, are clearly measurable. What a shame. Is the infamous Carlos still in a french jail? Sayyed Nasrallah, why dont you kidnapped a few french soldiers.

    July 18, 2008

  • Emile Ghoul

    I call upon Syria to officially annex us. Then, it will have the responsibility to disarm all sectarian militias and protect our borders with the ziunists

    July 18, 2008

  • alex

    To Sarine: Lets see: "....This is the direct outcome of the understanding between Israel and Syria, namely Security for Peace. Syria provides the security on its boarders with Israel and Israel provides peace (of mind) to the regime in Syria." --Yes it is. We are tired of being the scapegoat of the middle-east! We now understand that arab leaders are using hatred towards us to consolidate their masses under their rule. That, with full support of the masses themselves. We, now really see arab culture as a...., well. I am telling you this most personally: we will support ANY regime that will keep our borders quiet. And they may as well execute 1000 people on each friday, on citysquares. We dont care. No more "Democracy dreams" for Middle East! "... Otherwise, does Israel no know that these weapons come from Iran through Syria? Why does it not go to the source? ..." --Sure we know! Less than a year ago we demolished "something" deep in Syrian desert. Frankly, i have no idea what

    July 17, 2008

  • essam

    To Alon from the occupied land..main cause of all of this is the occupation by the likes of you of our land and the State sponsored atrocities carried out by Israel sine 1948...keep your "valuable" advice to yourself and insted do something to help solve the problem & stop the terror by Israel...Hizbo are in existence because of such crimes...remeber 82/06/Qana..etc

    July 17, 2008

  • joe

    TO MODERATE LEBANESE BEWARE! YOUR COUNTRY IS GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF IRANIZATION. FROM THE MOST MODERATE AND MODERN ARAB COUNTRY, YOU'RE GONNA TURN INTO THE MOST EXTREME COUNTRY. WHAT A SHAME

    July 17, 2008

  • مواطن من البلدة

    All the politicians that celebrated with Hezbollah yesterday seemed to forget what happened less than two months ago when Hezbollah took to the streets in an attempt to take Lebanon over, and killed doznes of its opponents Sunis and Druz. Yet yesterday they all stood behind him. He will use his weapons against Lebanese who oppose hm again, although he is now a partner in the unity govenment. He is using Israel as the rational behind his existence and him weapons, however we all know the truth and his real goals. He wants to turn your country into a Shiite run country under the hopsice of Iran. May the moderates in yur country win this battle, for the sake of the Lebanese people.

    July 17, 2008

  • Sami

    Alon from Israel, did you notice how many friends you have in this site?Essamo and William like to move to your country

    July 17, 2008

  • Hagop

    This is a balance of account that does not take into consideration the quasi state of Hezballah. The Net Gains remain the same. On the net losses side what changes are the innocent civlians who died or injured is of no military/political value to Hezballah. As for the rest of the structural etc... damages Hezballa paid handsomely for the homes its people from the preemptive war for and financed by Iran. Later Iran financed the reconstruction plus the payments that were made by the Lebanese government. So is this an incentive for hezballa to go into such futile adventures??? of course it is....their cost-benefit will be in HEzballahs favor, but neccesarily Lebanon

    July 17, 2008

  • Sarine

    This is the direct outcome of the understanding between Israel and Syria, namely Security for Peace. Syria provides the security on its boarders with Israel and Israel provides peace (of mind) to the regime in Syria. Otherwise, does Israel no know that these weapons come from Iran through Syria? Why does it not go to the source? I guess the question is why does Syria allow Hezballa to exist? Its simple neither Syria NOR Israel have an interest to see Lebanon flourish and Hezballa gives them that pretext to destroy all that is achieved (just like Hamas) and we the Lebanese applaude Hezballah the so called resistance and the socalled victories.

    July 17, 2008

  • Shay

    HA is fighting for Lebanon? Uh-huh. There's a saying that goes "Syria and Iran will fight Israel till the last Lebanese." The only reason Kuntar was returned in 04 exchange is because HA did not release information it has on the fate of Ron Arad. Information their Irani masters do not want Israel to have. So, to release Kuntar, stir up trouble with Israel (which diverts attention from Iran's nuclear program) and because their Irani masters say so - HA stared a war with Israel. Looking at it any other way is just blindness. Kuntar could have been released via diplomacy, if Lebanese interest was at the heart of HA's agenda. But it isn't.

    July 17, 2008

  • essam

    To MR MouthPiece, The Highly acclaimed Prof. Sami..."in front of HIS people"..Right, HIS PEOPLE..the one that HAVE to accept it as THEY HAVE NO CHOICE..HIS PEOPLE, that he hand feed,educate,finance,train..JUST TO KEEP them under control, HIS PEOPLE....I live in Free land, not one of any one's people...you must be on of HIS PEOPLE...a SPONGER of others RIGHTS & FREEDOM.....

    July 17, 2008

  • Alon from Israel

    You had a beutiful country before you let Syria and Iran to control your daily life. Hezbollah and Nasrallah will not let your country to florish Alon from Israel

    July 17, 2008

  • ....

    is that a victory ? blame nasralah - lebanon is being controlied by iran and syria ARE YOU HAPPY from the releasing stop the joke muhamad palestine

    July 17, 2008

  • Kheireddine

    Johnny, the Israeli reaction was predictable, It is Nasrallah who triggered the war in 2006 and like you said, the people who suffered the most are die hard Nasrallah's supporters, the same way the German people were supporters of Adolf Hitler...

    July 17, 2008

  • Sami

    Essamo, what planet do you live on?The Sayyed did stand in front of his people, several times.We seen on TV stations how mothers said that they lost one son to Israeli war and are willing to give the rest of her sons saying:Fidak Sayyed Hassan.If you did not hear those words of support to HA then you must live on another planet.Finally, i say that Israel caused this destruction not HA.HA is fighting for Lebanon.

    July 17, 2008

  • Shay

    @Johnny - But of course, Nasrallah is no fool. He knew that Israel would retaliate to a border cross abduction and mortars. Maybe he underestimated Israel's response, but he certainly knew there'd be a response, and was perfectly willing put innocents in harms way to achieve his goals. So yes, I can very easily put the blame in Lebanese hands, not Israel. Unprovoked, Israel would not have started the 06 war, and Nassrallah, last time I checked, was Lebanese.

    July 16, 2008

  • d

    What resistance? Lebanon rejected peace in 1948 and ever since. Look where it will end up - a radical religious extremist ideology will take over an otherwise fine place, all because Lebanon couldn't accept Israel as a neighbor. Look in the mirror for that is where the blame for the loss of your country lies.

    July 16, 2008

  • Isaac

    The only thing your net gain/net losses table shows is the total disregard Nasrallah has for human life and on the flip side, the huge value the Israeli government places on human life. There is much talk in the arab press about the upcoming celebrations but very little about the hundreds of bodies that were also returned and the respect that needs to be shown to those families.

    July 16, 2008

  • Johnny

    First I would like to address the comment above. Nearly everyone affected by the 2006 war are still die hard supporters of Hezbollah and even bigger supporters of Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah. Now to address these so called statistics...The net losses were provided by Israel. Nobody asked for those losses, and to put the blame on the LEBANESE side is absoluteley ridiculous and even moreso disgusting. Its hilarious how still people in Lebanon are trying to downplay the victories of the Resistiance in Lebanon. I am very proud to be Lebanese today and a large part of that pride derives from the Resistance and everyone affiliated with it.

    July 16, 2008

  • essam

    figures & facts speaks for themselves... , no matter what spin they put on it...no prisoner/s on this earth, never was & never will be, worth a whole Nation ...let Syed Hassan stand in front of the families of the injured people of 06 War and try to justify it....God's hand on Earth, more like Destruction hands on Lebanon.

    July 16, 2008